if you can get something, say, twice the risk free rate and get a good tax rate on it, in other words, like you have a reduced tax on the dividends or the capital gains, then you're going to do real well. if you look, the ten year or measure against the 30 years, say 3, 3 1/2, 4, if you can get 6%, 7%, 8%, you are doing great. john in north carolina, john. hey, john. >> caller: hey, what's gone on, jim? >> not much. how about you? >> caller: doing good. so i'm new to the market. >> okay. >> caller: and i've been watching the show and reading the mad money book, which has been very helpful. >> thank you. >> caller: my question is, when i'm doing valuations for companies that i'm interested in and i'm calculating ppgs, which eps number should i use and which growth percentage should i use? is it previous quarter or previous year or is it the estimates for the next quarter or the next year? >> okay. when you're doing the price earnings ratios, i always like to look at the forward, in other words, next year.